Minutes from Schoharie County Conservation Association
Meeting held at SUNY Cobleskill Curtis Mott Hall
On October 23, 2003
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Dave Wood called the meeting to order at 7:20 with a salute to the American flag. Present were representatives from: Middleburgh and West Fulton Rod & Gun Clubs, Central Bridge and Richmondville Fish and Game Clubs, Trout Unlimited, and the Schoharie County Chapter of Whitetails Unlimited, along with several SCCA associate members.
Treasures Report The monthly budget was discussed, reviewing the expenses and receipts. A motion to accept was made and then passed.
Secretarys Minutes Inquires or questions concerning the minutes were asked for, however none was being made. A motion was made to accept and was then passed.
Norm McBride DEC Fish Biologist: Mr. McBride began with the 5/2 Trout Proposal, which has been discussed on numerous occasions at previous meetings. He pointed out that the Schoharie County clubs were the only clubs that were in support of this new proposal. Therefore the 5/2 Trout Proposal has been abandoned because of lack of support by the other county organizations. Regions 7 & 8 have adopted this 5/2 proposal. However, he did say the proposal may be reengineered and brought forward again sometime in the future.
Norm informed us that DEC stocked approximately 300 nine (9) inch rainbow trout in the Cobleskill Holding Pond in June. This was a one-time deal, and was only done because there was a surplus of fish. Other waters throughout the state were stocked as well with these surplus fish, with the Cobleskill Holding Pond being the water body stocked in Schoharie County.
Mr. McBride stated that the DEC electro-fished the Schoharie Reservoir this year to try and test the fish for mercury levels. All the fish collected are currently being evaluated and the data will be examined as it comes in, which should be around January or February. In 2001, all the fish caught measured high for mercury. They saw many large schools of alewives when they were doing their survey. Norm said if the alewife population continues to increase, the walleye population would be adversely affected.
The Catskill Creek was surveyed as well, with wild trout being found abundant in the Schoharie County section of the creek. However, the rainbow trout population is done from past years. As with the Schoharie Reservoir, all the data collected will be reviewed this winter.
Norm reported that the Beaver Kill has been going under a trout study over the past couple of years. From the data collected the DEC is going to implement the first therma implamation closure in the state. It was found that during certain periods of the summer the trout are pooling together in sections of the Beaver Kill where there are cold pools. DEC is trying to stop fisherman from stressing the already stressed fish in those pools. What this means is that from July 1 August 30 a section of the Beaver Kill will be closed to fishing. This section is from the Horton Bridge down to the first Route 17 overpass, approximately 600 yards long. It will take effect beginning in 2005. The DEC also radio-tagged brown trout fingerlings and 2-year olds in this study, to determine the movement of the fish at different stages of its life. It was determined that at least five (5) were eaten by mergansers (4 fingerlings and one 2-year old). A big problem was that tags were found, but they were unable to tell if the tag fell out or the fish had died.
Norm then brought up the Schoharie Creek. On his previous visit with us we had asked Norm various questions about walleyes in the creek and the possibility of having them stocked, and now he had some information for us. In 1924-1933 the Schoharie Creek was stocked with walleye, along with numerous other fish, such as small mouth bass and brown trout. In 1934 a biological survey of the Mohawk Watershed was done from the mouth of the Schoharie Creek to its headwaters. The survey found warm water and all cold water stocking was stopped. On July 20, 1973 another survey was done in a pool at the Blenheim Gilboa Dam and walleye were found. In 1977, a survey was done at selected pools between the Mohawk and Middleburgh. The results from that changed the current bass regulations. In 1985 the lower half of the Schoharie Creek, just up from the Mohawk River, and they determined this section of the Creek was not a Mohawk River walleye fishery. In 1990, a survey done in Burtonville, Montgomery County found 30 small mouth bass and 15 walleye. Mr. McBride needs more information if he will ever be able to recommend that the Schoharie Creek be stocked with walleye. He suggested that the local clubs find individuals that could fill out Angler Diaries to help record information for him. If interested contact 234-8804 Ray Zeh.
Finally we asked Norm questions, and voiced our concerns. The question was asked, why we couldnt have more fish stocked in the Cobleskill Holding Pond. Mr. McBride stated that the amount of fish stocked in the Holding Pond was figured out mathematically, based on the size the water body and the amount of fish it can sustain. Therefore, based on the formula used, 400 fish are stocked in the Holding Pond each year. He was then asked about 2-year old fish, why they arent stocked. Norm pointed out that the 2-year olds go to bodies of water that receive large stockings, and that no water body in Schoharie County receives large stockings. The closest water bodies that do are the Schenevus Creek in Otsego County and the Catskill Creek in Greene County. A large stocking is one of at least 1000 fish. We then asked Norm about the stocking of the Blenheim Gilboa Reservoir. He informed us that the DEC does not stock that, and will not unless access is granted to the public. He suggested that we draft a letter to reopen the Reservoir and send it to our governmental representatives. He also suggested we do some research on there legal right to keep the Reservoir closed. As a comparison, all NYC watershed reservoirs are reopened to boating (no motors).
New York State Conservation Council: Currently we have a membership drive push. If you are not a member please visit our website at: http: www.nyscc.com to join. If you are a member please encourage others to sign up. These memberships would also make excellent gifts for friends and relatives boys & girls. The cost is $25 for Guardian, $60 for Defender and $250 for Life Membership. This includes a monthly newsletter with your membership. The Council is pushing sporting clubs that are in cities throughout the state to join as well. Any Clubs that are interested in getting permits to hunt watershed lands should contact Jennifer A. Cairo, NYCDEP at (845-340-7517) or e-mail firstname.lastname@example.org.
Representative Ed Zamjohn (234-2098) - Ed reported that the Trailblazer Adventure Program, which was held at Thompson Lake State Park, on October 18, was a success. There were a lot of Boy Scouts there with their families. However, recent editorial articles written in the newspaper following the event questioning the link of sportsman and the boy scouts tried to spoil it. We cant let these editorials that question the traditions and beliefs we hold dear to go unanswered. Remain diligent in defending them, whether by word of mouth or through the local newspaper editorials.
Here is a message sent to Ed Zamjohn from a defendant of the NRA.
Guess our national leaders didn't expect this, hmm? On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful. They were not prepared for what he was to say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert!
These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness. The following is a portion of the transcript:
"Since the dawn of creation there has been both good & evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers."
"The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart."
"In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent."
"I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy-it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves.
"I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best. This was written way before I knew I would be speaking here today":
Your laws ignore our deepest needs,
Your words are empty air.
You've stripped away our heritage,
You've outlawed simple prayer.
Now gunshots fill our classrooms,
And precious children die.
You seek for answers everywhere,
And ask the question "Why?"
You regulate restrictive laws,
Through legislative creed.
And yet you fail to understand,
That God is what we need!
"Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, soul, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact.
What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs - politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws.
"Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts. Political posturing and restrictive legislation are not the answers. The young people of our nation hold the key. There is a spiritual awakening taking place that will not be squelched! We do not need more religion. We do not need more gaudy television evangelists spewing out verbal religious garbage. We do not need more million dollar church buildings built while people with basic needs are being ignored. We DO need a change of heart and a humble acknowledgment that this nation was founded on the principle of simple trust in God!"
"As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes-He did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America, and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him. To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA - I give to you a sincere challenge. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone! My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!"
Fish & Wildlife Management Board
Pete Innes: Restrictions being set on number of campers, 12 or more need special permit for camping on State land and 20 or more require special permit for camping on Wilderness land. River otter - Season closed in the Catskills. 330 Trap is designed to catch beaver if location of trap is set correctly. Habitat Stamp - $45,000 in account as of 10/22/03 Need to promote stamp more - Get Clubs behind promotion.
LT. Desko; 30 Positions for DEC Econ & Forest Ranger Academy. Still waiting on NY State budget funding. Looking for support to get a waiver from Legislators (Assemble & Senate). Only two Encon Officers in Delaware Co. & 2 Encon Officers in Green Co. Discussed severe staff shortages at Rome & Catskill (DeBruce) fish hatcheries. Will cut 50,000 at each hatchery.
Middleburgh Rod & Gun Club John Bloomer has stopped running Trap Shooting on Friday nights. Will start again in early Spring. December 2003 Raffle - Tickets or Money has to be turned in Dec. 1 to Bob Britton, 7-9 PM at the clubhouse. The Kids archery program will start up the first Saturday in January - POC is Ed Labaida 868-2025 or Neal Bauman 295-7669. Adult archery will run again on Tues., Thurs. & Saturday nights starting 1st week in January. Total membership in club is at 322 with 115 life members. The Rod & Gun Club has a new Internet website: http://www.middleburghrg.com and we need help with information to update this website. Call John Osisinki 827-5429 or Pete Lucas 827-7620.
Central Bridge Fish and Game Club Skeet shoots every Sunday morning, starting around 10:00 am. There is also shooting on Monday nights and Wednesday nights. Meetings are held the 1st Friday of each month.
West Fulton Rod & Gun Club Meetings are held every month on the 1st Tuesday at 7:00 P.M. The Big Buck Contest will be on again this year ending on Dec 6, on which there will be a diner held at the new West Fulton Firehouse. The club also has a fall raffle to help raise some needed funds to help pay the clubs liability insurance bill for 2004.
SUNY Cobleskill Fish and Wildlife Club The club is planning a lot for the year to come. One activity, which is being considered, is a club fishing trip. The wildlife clubs ATV raffle did not go as planned, therefore it has been cancelled and refunds will be mailed out.
Venison Donation Program Dont forget about donating. Anyone who donates a whole deer will have a chance of wining a muzzleloader Black powder Gun donated by Whitetails Unlimited.
New York City Dept. of Environmental Protection (DEP) Announces New Deer Hunting Area Near The Schoharie Reservoir. Need to apply for Access Permit. Close to 900 acres has been opened Oct 1st for hunting, fishing & hiking. POC: for information is Ray Zeh 234-8804
The next meeting will be held again at SUNY Cobleskill Curtis Mott Hall on the November 20 at 7:00. Our guest speaker hopefully will be Richard Ball from the Schoharie County Farm Bureau.
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